Question:
Is Lebron James even close to being the next Jordan, or is a player like Kobe or Wade closer?
thechandyshop
2007-06-11 09:56:51 UTC
I've noticed that Lebron stepped up in a few games but I can't remember Jordan even having a bad game in the Finals.
Kobe on the otherhand scores like no other but I don't know if he lacks the leadership/
Wade I feel is a great leader and picks up the team but does he have the potential of bringing his team to the finals again.

I'm talking strictly on basketball ability and leadership to bring a team 6 championships...so this is NOT a question on who will have a greater legacy.

You mention another player
Thirteen answers:
anonymous
2007-06-11 20:40:13 UTC
I think that these 3 will get extremely close, but none of them will ever be the next MJ. I never saw MJ play, but I don't think that Kobe, LBJ, and D-Wade qualify for the best player in NBA history. They will all enter the hall of fame, and stop right there.



1. LeBron is almost there skillwise, but panics in big games. Not a consistent clutch player. Aggression simply isn't in his character. But he's an amazing leader for 22. So calm and composed.



2. Kobe is skillwise equal to MJ. Can play the role of a scorer or facilitator or both on any given night. But he's way too controversial.



3. D-Wade is awesome and has already proven himself once. But he needs to work on his outside shooting. He won't be young and strong always, and he can't always rely on his drives. When he gets older, he must avoid such physical contact. He really needs to work on his outside shooting.
Lesley
2007-06-11 11:00:15 UTC
Lebron is an incredible player, but he's not consistent. MJ was obviously one of the greatest and people were in awe of him ALL the time. Lebron has the talent, but D-Wade has the talent AND consistency. He plays well in every game and amazes everybody with his moves and ability to lead the team to a victory. If you look at Wade's games, excluding the time of his injury, he dominates the floor, and when he isn't able to perform, he becomes a passer and gives it to Shaq. That's true leadership and skills.



Kobe is one of the best in the NBA currently, but his lack of wins take away from the fact that he's good. He performs well, but doesn't come out with the win. He isn't a ball hog as everyone says, because he did have that period where he tried to pass the ball to everybody, but he didn't win those games either.



I say nobody will ever be the next Michael Jordan, but Dwyane Wade will be at the same level, if not higher, than MJ.
JayB
2007-06-11 10:10:50 UTC
In my opinion, you can't even compare LeBron OR D-Wade to MJ yet. Kobe's certainly the best all-around player, Wade is second. LeBron doesn't have a good enough supporting cast to win a ring; I think the Heat and hopefully LA will be in serious contention for a championship for the years to come with minimal upgrades. The Cavs lucked out this year; trust me, it will not happen again. LeBron couldn't be further again from MJ, but he has the potential to eventually get there; Dwyane's not a pure shooter, but he has a good basketball IQ and is a great player getting better. Kobe undoubtedly is closest, almost even there if he wins a ring next year. People, let the past go... This is the present and the future of basketball. MJ is up there by himself for now, but he isn't untouchable.
anonymous
2007-06-11 10:51:39 UTC
Kobe is THE ONLY player closest to Mj right now... and he has been since the past 5 years now... Kobe at the age of 22 posted up better #s than MJ and better than what Lebron is going right now and also better #s or similar #s to Wade. Kobe was playing with ELITE teams like the kings at the age of 22 and with Shaq adn still had to post up big #s for the lakers to win championships. Kobe after siad that done will go down as the 1 of the top 5 players in the NBA ever. Kobe has a relentless will to win and is a pure prolific scorer.
myfinalheaven817
2007-06-11 10:11:00 UTC
In response to strictly basketball ability, Kobe is hands down the best of the 3. He is above wade and lebron because he can make a shot from anywhere, can get teammates involved, and can play defense very efficiently. Wade needs a healthy, good all around team like he did when they won, he needs to stay healthy himself, and is hot/cold sometimes. Lebron is almost the same as wade in that he is hot/cold, not as experienced, and they both play in the east. Neither wade or lebron can play good defense. No player is good enough by themselves to win a championship as jordan needed good players around him to win as does kobe,wade, and lebron. But based on pure basketball ability, knowledge, and leadership, if all 3 players had the same talent around them, Kobe's team would be most likely to win the championships.
Brandon
2007-06-11 10:35:52 UTC
The question is whether James is close to being the next Jordan. The answer, is no. Not because Lebron is untalented, but because it is like comparing apples and oranges.



Comparing Wade and Kobe to Jordan is more accurate. But, neither is there yet. And Kobe has the best chance (actually plays defense)



Lebron is more closely linked to Magic Johnson in their type of play. But, if you compare those two, you know Lebron is no where close to Magic Johnson.



If Lebron improves his jump shot and defense he has a chance to be in the talk. I just said the same two things everyone said about Jordan before he won championships. Jordan worked harder than anyone else in the NBA to make those his strengths (same thing Kobe is doing now).
The King
2007-06-11 10:07:55 UTC
Lebron James is only 22 and has already made it to the finals.

Lebron has the athletic and mental ability to possibly go past Jordan and break records beyond dreams. The thing is Wade, Bryant, and Jordan all had an amazing bench and players next to them that they can trust; lebron is relying of a basic "lottery" team next to him to help him in the finals. So; is Lebron james even close to being the next Jordan? OF COURSE, as a matter of face if he doesn't repeatedly retire he could pass the records of Jordan and become the next NBA legend.
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2016-10-09 03:50:11 UTC
So wait, MJ didnt get blown out while he grew to become into on the Wizards??? haha oh thats precise, he did. Wade's team sucks precise now so How could you're saying something that has to do with dropping on your team. Kobe is the closest to MJ and ur an fool and dont understand basketball in case you think of in any different case.
buddy_z34
2007-06-11 10:11:54 UTC
wade is closer to jordan than lebron is. everyone says well he has shaq to help him out but shaq is now like a role player. he aint gonna average his 30 points 15 rebounds anymore. wade took an old heat team and put them on his shoulder against a top mavs team.



kobe scores almost at an unreal pace. if they need a score kobe can get it for you. can lebron do that? it hasnt shown yet in the finals.



kobe was 18, 4 years younger than lebron when he was in his first playoffs.



this reminds me of a vince carter where he had his few good years and has fallen of the face of the earth with his comparisions to the aire.
skebbaguy99
2007-06-11 11:11:35 UTC
Kobe is closer to MJ:

1. He has more championships

2. He scores more points

3. He sells more merchandise

4. He has the ability to score like no one else.
basketball is my religion
2007-06-12 00:17:21 UTC
Jordan is on a planet by himself. THERE WILL NEVER BE ONE LIKE HIM SO PLEASE STOP HOPING FOR ONE. He spoiled us with his greatness and now you want to crown the next star with the NEXT tag. Please stop it. I would rather be the NEXT CHAMPION instead.
THING 2
2007-06-11 10:04:34 UTC
STOP IT NO ONE WILL BE LIKE MJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
anonymous
2007-06-11 11:07:22 UTC
Games with 15+ assists

Air Jordan: 5

Kobe Bryant: 1

Games with 12+ assists

Air Jordan: 26

Kobe Bryant: 12

Games with 10+ assists

Air Jordan: 76

Kobe Bean Bryant: 52

Games with 8+ assists

Air Jordan: 207

Kobe Bean Bryant: 114

Games with 5+ assists

Air Jordan: 587

Kobe Bean Bryant: 353

Games with less than 3 assists

Air Jordan: 150

Kobe Bean Bryant: 188

Games with less than 2 assists

Air Jordan: 51

Kobe Bean Bryant: 105

Games with NO assists

Air Jordan: 7

Kobe Bean Bryant: 47

Games with 15+ rebounds

Air Jordan: 8

Kobe Bean Bryant: 2

Games with 12+ rebounds

Air Jordan: 61

Kobe Bean Bryant: 20

Games with 10+ rebounds

Air Jordan: 151

Kobe Bean Bryant: 70

GOT DEFENSE?

Games with 8+ steals

Air: 12

Bean: 0

Games with 7+ steals

Air: 18

Bean: 1

Games with 6+ steals

Air: 47

Bean: 6

Games with 5+ steals

Air: 110

Bean: 26

Games with 4+ steals

Air: 235

Bean: 63

Games with 3+ steals

Air: 460

Bean: 165

Of the 143 50 point games since 1986, in terms of shooting percentage:

Michael Jordan's games include #1, #5, #8, #17, #21, #22, etc.

Kobe Bryant's games include

10 of the 30 worst

7 of the 15 worst

The 3 worst

#118, #120, #122, #129, #131, #132, #133, #141, #142, #143

In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.

Of every game played since 1986:

Michael Jordan has 13 of top 25 game scores: #1, #4, #6, #6 (ties himself), #11, #16, #16, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #25

Kobe Bryant has 3 of the top 25 game scores.

What is Game Score? Game Score is a simple formula that evaluates a player’s individual game performance. All statistics in the box score are summed up, with different weights for different stats, to show how impressive a player’s all-around contribution is.

Kobe Bryant also has:

2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 10+ points. (5-21 shooting)

2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 30+ points. (11-29)

Worst and 4th worst known game scores for a player scoring 40+ points. (17-47, 12-30)

Games with 15+ rebounds

Air Jordan: 8

Kobe Bean Bryant: 2

Games with 12+ rebounds

Air Jordan: 61

Kobe Bean Bryant: 20

Games with 10+ rebounds

Air Jordan: 151

Kobe Bean Bryant: 70

Games with 15+ assists

Air Jordan: 5

Kobe Bryant: 1

Games with 12+ assists

Air Jordan: 26

Kobe Bryant: 12

Games with 10+ assists

Air Jordan: 76

Kobe Bean Bryant: 52

Games with 8+ assists

Air Jordan: 207

Kobe Bean Bryant: 114

Games with 5+ assists

Air Jordan: 587

Kobe Bean Bryant: 353

Games with less than 3 assists

Air Jordan: 150

Kobe Bean Bryant: 188

Games with less than 2 assists

Air Jordan: 51

Kobe Bean Bryant: 105

Games with NO assists

Air Jordan: 7

Kobe Bean Bryant: 47

Games with 8+ steals

Air: 12

Bean: 0

Games with 7+ steals

Air: 18

Bean: 1

Games with 6+ steals

Air: 47

Bean: 6

Games with 5+ steals

Air: 110

Bean: 26

Games with 4+ steals

Air: 235

Bean: 63

Games with 3+ steals

Air: 460

Bean: 165

Games with multiple blocks

Air: 220

Bean: 102

Games with 3+ blocks

Air: 70

Bean: 22

Games with 4+ blocks

Air: 25

Bean: 4

Games with less than 4 turnovers

Air: 775

Bean: 489

Games with less than 3 turnovers

Air: 545

Bean: 333

Games with less than 2 turnovers

Air: 275

Bean: 177

Games with NO turnovers

Air: 90

Bean: 45

Games with 5+ turnovers

Air: 132 (2 out of every 16 games)

Bean: 147 (3 out of every 16 games)

Games with more turnovers than assists

Air: 144 (13 out of every 100 games)

Bean: 174 (22 out of every 100 games)

Foul Outs

Air: 7

Bean: 16

Percentage of points scored on free throws

Michael Jordan: 22.7%

Kobe Bryant: 25.9%

Percentage of points scored on two point field goals

Michael Jordan: 72%

Kobe Bryant: 59%

Three point shot attempts per game

Air Jordan: 1.66

Kobe Bryant: 3.54 (more) (less)

All-Rookie First Team

Michael Jordan: Yes

Kobe Bryant: No

Kobe Bryant was voted to the All-Star team his rookie year for some reason, even though he didn’t make the All-Rookie First Team…

Olympic Gold Medals

Michael Jordan: 2

Kobe Bryant: 0

Michael Jordan is one of three players to win an Olympic gold as both an amateur (1984) and professional (1992). The other players are Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin, who did it with him.

All-Star selections

Michael Jordan: 14

Kobe Bryant: 9

Michael Jordan was an All-Star every year he was eligible, including his injury plagued 1986 season. He is #2 all time in NBA All-Star selections behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

All-Star Game Most Valuable Player awards

Michael Jordan: 3

Kobe Bryant: 2

Jordan’s 40 points in 1988 is still the second most points in an All-Star Game behind Wilt Chamberlain’s 42. Jordan also recorded the only All-Star Game triple double in NBA history in 1997, but did not receive MVP.

Scoring titles

Michael Jordan: 10

Kobe Bryant: 2

Of course Jordan has the most scoring titles in NBA history. He also led the league in total points his rookie season, but was third in scoring average. He is the only player besides Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season.

Steals titles

Michael Jordan: 3

Kobe Bryant: 0

Jordan was the first player in NBA history to lead the league in both scoring and steals. He achieved this feat three times. The only other player to do it is Allen Iverson.

Jordan was the first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season. He performed this feat in back-to-back seasons, making him the only player to perform it multiple times. Hakeem Olajuwon and Scottie Pippen later achieved 200 steals and 100 blocks in one season.

Michael Jordan was named the 1991 Sportsman of the Year by Sports Illustrated.

Jordan is the fourth player in NBA history to win a scoring title and an NBA championship in the same season, which he did all six times.

In 1996, Jordan became the second player in NBA history to sweep the MVP awards (regular season, NBA Finals, All-Star Game) after Willis Reed. He would sweep them again in 1998, making him the only player to do it multiple times.

Michael Jordan led the Chicago Bulls to the best regular season and combined regular season and postseason records in NBA history.

Michael Jordan scored in double digits in all but one game as a Chicago Bull out of 1,109 total games.

College awards at North Carolina

1984 ACC Men’s Basketball Player of the Year

1984 USBWA College Player of the Year

1984 Naismith College Player of the Year

1984 John R. Wooden Award

1984 Adolph Rupp Trophy

1982 ACC Freshman of the Year

1982 national championship

Game-winning defensive play and shot in the 1982 national championship game against Georgetown

“The Clutch Factor”

Stop saying Kobe Bryant is one of the most clutch players ever.

Please watch film of Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Robert Horry, and how about… Michael Jordan?

These are approximations because it is difficult to define “clutch”. Here we have defined it as shots within the last 24 seconds of a game within 2 points.

Game winning shots

Michael Jordan: 33 out of 58 attempts (56.9%)

Kobe Bryant: 7 out of 32 attempts (21.9%)

Michael Jordan has the most known game winning shots of any player in NBA history. He has by far the highest conversion rate in the clutch.

Michael Jordan led countless 4th quarter comebacks in which he singlehandedly won the game throughout his career.

Among Kobe’s 32 clutch opportunities, he has yet to pass the ball to another player. He has by far the most end of game situations with no assists of any player in NBA history. He has one of the lowest conversion rates in the clutch.

Game winning shots in the playoffs

Kobe: 5

Jordan: Approximately 15

Kobe Bryant is not among the top 100 players all time in assists per game.

Michael Jordan is. He’s #76 in assists per game and #34 in assists.

Michael Jordan is #3 all time in rebounding by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson).

Kobe Bryant is not among the top 50 players all time in steals per game.

Michael Jordan is. He’s #4 in steals per game and #2 in steals.

Michael Jordan is #1 all time in blocks by a guard.

Kobe Bryant is not among the top 10 players all time in points per game.

Michael Jordan is #1 all time in points per game and #3 in points.

Record in games with 30+ shot attempts

Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)

Kobe Bean Bryant: 31-39 (.443)

Record as team leader

Michael Air Jordan: 640-290 (.688)

Kobe Bean Bryant: 121-125 (.492)

Record, all team games

Michael Air Jordan: 706-366 (.659)

Kobe Bean Bryant: 556-314 (.639)

Postseason as team leader

Air: Missed postseason 0 times in 13 seasons

Bean: Missed postseason 1 time in 3 seasons

How do their teams fare without them?

Team record in games missed

Michael Jordan: 19-49 (.279)

86: 18-43

89: 0-1

92: 0-2

93: 1-3

Even the world champion Bulls suffered 1-5 without their undisputed leader.

Kobe Bryant: 53-33 (.616)

97: 8-3

98: 3-0

00: 12-4

01: 11-3

02: 2-0

The championship Lakers teams seemed barely affected by the absence of Kobe.

Also of note: Kobe Bryant tore a championship team apart. Michael Jordan pieced a championship team together.

ACTUAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS

NBA championships

Michael Jordan: 6 in 6 NBA Finals

Kobe Bryant: 3 in 4 NBA Finals

NBA Finals Most Valuable Player awards

Michael Jordan: 6

Kobe Bryant: 0

No one is close to Michael Jordan in NBA Finals MVPs.

Regular season Most Valuable Player awards

Michael Jordan: 5

Kobe Bryant: 0

Michael Jordan was so dominant and valuable to his team that he LOST MVP awards because of it. The league voters were tired of awarding it to the same player, and gave it to Magic Johnson in 1989 and 1990 instead because he had only received MVP once. Jordan is #1 all time in MVP voting, and has 14 combined MVP awards (regular season, NBA Finals, All-Star), the most all time.

All-NBA First Team selections

Michael Jordan: 10

Kobe Bryant: 5

Michael Jordan is tied for #2 all time in All-NBA First Teams behind Karl Malone with 11.

All-Defensive First Team selections

Michael Jordan: 9

Kobe Bryant: 5

Michael Jordan has made more All-Defensive First Teams than any other player in NBA history. This last All-Defensive First Team honor for Kobe was complete bulls***, but whatever.

Defensive Player of the Year awards

Michael Jordan: 1

Kobe Bryant: 0

Michael averaged 35 points per game when he won DPoY. The next closest scorer to win it had 27 ppg. Guards rarely receive Defensive Player of the Year.

Rookie of the Year

Michael Jordan: Yes

Kobe Bryant: No

In his rookie year, Michael Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals. He is the only player in NBA history to lead his team in four (of the 5) categories, and obviously the only rookie to do it. Julius Erving did it in the ABA, but never in the NBA. Jordan was 4 blocks away from repeating this feat in 1989.

Michael Jordan led his team in three stats 5 different times, including leading the team in blocks several times. Kobe Bryant has led his team in three categories once in his career.

Career Player Efficiency Rating

Michael Jordan: 27.91

Kobe Bryant: 23.49

What is Player Efficiency Rating? PER is a formula that uses a player’s stats to determine how productive and efficient he is in his time on the court. If you shoot the ball a lot, but don’t shoot as well, your rating goes down. If you turn the ball over a lot, your rating goes down. If you are efficient and contribute an all-around game, your rating goes up. Due to factors like shooting percentage, it’s almost impossible for a guard to have a very high career rating, like above 25 (Jordan is the only one).

Highest PER Season

Michael Jordan: 31.71

Kobe Bryant: 27.97

40 point games

MJ: 173

Kobe: 85

30 point games

MJ: 561

Kobe: 245

20 point games

MJ: 926

Kobe: 520

Games with under 50% shooting

Michael Jordan: 466 (43% of games)

Kobe Bryant: 489 (62% of games)

Games with under 48% shooting

Michael Jordan: 437 (41% of games)

Kobe Bryant: 470 (60% of games)

Games with under 46% shooting

Michael Jordan: 360 (33% of games)

Kobe Bryant: 417 (53% of games)

Games with under 44% shooting

Michael Jordan: 288 (1 out of every 4 games)

Kobe Bryant: 353 (1 out of every 2 games)

Games with under 42% shooting

Michael Jordan: 228 (1 out of every 5 games)

Kobe Bryant: 307 (2 out of every 5 games)

Games with under 40% shooting

Michael Jordan: 154 (1 out of every 7 games)

Kobe Bryant: 246 (1 out of every 3 games)

Games with under 35% shooting

Michael Jordan: 85 (8 out of every 100 games)

Kobe Bryant: 156 (20 out of every 100 games)

Games with under 30% shooting

Michael Jordan: 39 (1 out of every 28 games)

Kobe Bryant: 81 (1 out of every 10 games)

Games with 70% or better shooting

Michael “Air” Jordan: 23 (1 out of every 45 games)

Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 5 (1 out of every 160 games)

Games with 60% or better shooting

Michael “Air” Jordan: 160 (1 out of every 7 games)

Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 53 (1 out of every 15 games)

Games with 50% or better shooting

Michael “Air” Jordan: 504 (1 out of every 2 games)

Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 203 (1 out of every 4 games)

Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting

MJ: 15

Kobe: 3

Games with 15 shots made on 60% or better shooting

MJ: 77

Kobe: 17

Games with 15 shots made on 50% or better shooting

MJ: 174

Kobe: 45

Games with 50 points & less than 10 free throw attempts

MJ: 3

Kobe: 0

Games with 40 points & less than 10 free throw attempts

MJ: 27

Kobe: 15

40 point games with less than 5 three point attempts

MJ: 156 (9 out of 10 40 pt games)

Kobe: 26 (3 out of 10 40 pt games)

Games with 40 points and under 50% shooting

MJ: 27 (16% of his 40 pt games)

Kobe: 40 (47% of his 40 pt games)

Games with 40 points and under 45% shooting

MJ: 13 (8% of his 40 pt games)

Kobe: 18 (21% of his 40 pt games)

Games with 40 points and under 40% shooting

MJ: 2 (1% of his 40 pt games)

Kobe: 7 (8% of his 40 pt games)

Yes, that's right, almost half of Kobe's 40 point games involved missing more shots than made ones.

50 point games with under 50% shooting

Michael Jordan: 1 of his 31 games (15-31, 48%)

Kobe Bryant: 6 of his 21 games

50 point games with under 45% shooting

Michael Jordan: 0

Kobe Bryant: 3

NBA Playoffs

50 point games

KB: 1

MJ: 8

40 point games

KB: 4

MJ: 38

30 point games

KB: 33

MJ: 109

20 point games

KB: 86

MJ: 173

Assist to turnover ratio

Jordan: 1.93

Kobe: 1.56

Assists per game

Jordan: 5.3

Kobe: 4.5

In order to match Jordan's assists numbers by the time he has played as long as Jordan, he needs to average 7.2 apg. It'd be nice to see if Kobe could ever average this in a week.

These idiots don't know that Jordan played during the slowest paced era in history and still put up 30.

Percentage of team's points scored in the NBA Finals

2000: 14.5% (not even including the game he missed) (W)

2001: 24.4% (W)

2002: 25.2% (W)

2004: 27.6% (L)

Michael Jordan

1991: 30.8% (W)

1992: 34.6% (W)

1993: 38.3% (W)

1996: 29.4% (W)

1997: 36.8% (W)

1998: 38.1% (W)

That stat will destroy any argument. Jordan=legend. Kobe=not legend. Honestly, that should shut up every stupid motherf****r who's ever opened his/her mouth.

Kobe could make 1500 shots in a row, and he'd barely pass Jordan in FG%.

Now let's assume that Kobe takes 2000 shots per season like the ballhog he has been shown to be.

At that rate he'd need to convert on 56.3% of his shot attempts for the next five years. We know this is impossible already, especially for a guard. Even MJ couldn't do it for a season!

Or perhaps Kobe plays for ten more years, averaging 1500 shots per season. He'd need to shoot over 54% to match Jordan, and once again, Jordan barely did this himself for one season.

If Kobe played until he was 50, another 21 years and every game of every season starting now, he would still have to average 32.6 ppg just to near Jordan's career ppg. HAHA!

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If Kobe played another ten years (which he won't), and averaged 80 games each season (800 games total), he would have to average over 35.5 points per game to match Jordan's career scoring average. Kobe won't even have a season on that level.

If Kobe played another 8 years for 640 more games, 36.9 ppg.

If Kobe played another 5 years for 400 more games, 41 ppg.

If Kobe wanted to match Jordan's average by the time he has been playing as long as Jordan did, 45.1 ppg... yeah right.

And now perhaps the most telling stat I could give (and also the hardest one to compile and research). This is the ultimate. This is one of the things to look at when judging great players. The negative impact of his absence.

TEAM RECORD IN GAMES MISSED

Jordan: 22-49 (.310)

86: 22-43

89: 0-1

92: 0-2

93: 1-3

Even a championship caliber team suffered without its undisputed leader.

Bryant: 53-33 (.616)

97: 8-3

98: 3-0

00: 12-4

01: 11-3

02: 2-0

The championship Lakers teams seemed barely affected without Kobe.

Dedication to the game?

82-game seasons

Jordan: 9

Bryant: 1

80+ game seasons

Jordan: 11

Bryant: 3

Sidenote: Jordan played in every game for which he was eligible in his career. He missed 64 games to injury in 1986, a couple of games for other injuries, and 5 for suspensions for fighting and such.

A quick glance at Michael Jordan season by season

1985: 28.2 pts, 6.5 reb, 5.9 ast, 2.39 stl, 51.5% fg, 25.8 PER

1987: 37.1 pts, 5.2 reb, 4.6 ast, 2.88 stl, 48.2% fg, 29.8 PER

1988: 35.0 pts, 5.5 reb, 5.9 ast, 3.16 stl, 53.5% fg, 31.7 PER

1989: 32.5 pts, 8.0 reb, 8.0 ast, 2.89 stl, 53.8% fg, 31.1 PER

1990: 33.6 pts, 6.9 reb, 6.3 ast, 2.77 stl, 52.7% fg, 31.2 PER

1991: 31.5 pts, 6.0 reb, 5.5 ast, 2.72 stl, 53.9% fg, 31.6 PER

1992: 30.1 pts, 6.4 reb, 6.1 ast, 2.28 stl, 51.9% fg, 27.7 PER

1993: 32.6 pts, 6.7 reb, 5.5 ast, 2.83 stl, 49.5% fg, 29.7 PER

1996: 30.4 pts, 6.6 reb, 4.3 ast, 2.20 stl, 49.5% fg, 29.4 PER

1997: 29.6 pts, 5.9 reb, 4.3 ast, 1.71 stl, 48.6% fg, 27.8 PER

1998: 28.7 pts, 5.8 reb, 3.5 ast, 1.72 stl, 46.5% fg, 25.2 PER

Kobe Bryant season by season

1997: 7.6 pts, 1.9 reb, 1.3 ast, 0.69 stl, 41.7% fg, 14.4 PER

1998: 15.4 pts, 3.1 reb, 2.5 ast, 0.94 stl, 42.8% fg, 18.5 PER

1999: 19.9 pts, 5.3 reb, 3.8 ast, 1.44 stl, 46.5% fg, 18.9 PER

2000: 22.5 pts, 6.3 reb, 4.9 ast, 1.61 stl, 46.8% fg, 21.7 PER

2001: 28.5 pts, 5.9 reb, 5.0 ast, 1.68 stl, 46.4% fg, 24.5 PER

2002: 25.2 pts, 5.5 reb, 5.5 ast, 1.48 stl, 46.9% fg, 23.2 PER

2003: 30.0 pts, 6.9 reb, 5.9 ast, 2.21 stl, 45.1% fg, 26.2 PER

2004: 24.0 pts, 5.5 reb, 5.1 ast, 1.72 stl, 43.8% fg, 23.7 PER

2005: 27.6 pts, 5.9 reb, 6.0 ast, 1.30 stl, 43.3% fg, 23.3 PER

2006: 35.4 pts, 5.3 reb, 4.5 ast, 1.84 stl, 45.0% fg, 27.97 PER

2007: 31.6 pts, 5.7 reb, 5.4 ast, 1.44 stl, 46.3% fg, 26.1 PER

Kobe doesn’t have a season that resembles Jordan.

Seasons with 30+ PER

MJ: 4

KB: 0

Seasons with 28+ PER

MJ: 7

KB: 0

Seasons with 25+ PER

MJ: 12

KB: 3

Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain are the only players in NBA history to have seasonal PERs over 31. They share the top 7 PERs in NBA history. Jordan has 4 and Wilt has 3.

Michael Jordan has 7 of the top 20 seasonal PERs all time. Kobe’s highest is #42 all time, a 27.97 PER.

Jordan has 9 seasons in the top 50 all time in PER. Kobe has 1. Kobe’s other two seasons that make the top 100 all time are #92 and #95…

Seasons with 30+ ppg

MJ: 8

KB: 3

Seasons with 25+ ppg

MJ: 12

KB: 6

Michael Jordan is one of four players in NBA history to average 20+ ppg every season in his career.

Seasons with 50% or better shooting

MJ: 6

KB: 0

Seasons with 47% or better shooting

MJ: 10

KB: 0

Seasons with 45% or better shooting

MJ: 12

KB: 7

Seasons with 6+ rebounds

MJ: 9

KB: 2

Seasons with 6+ assists

MJ: 3

KB: 1

Seasons with 5+ assists

MJ: 9

KB: 6

Seasons with 3+ steals

MJ: 1

KB: 0

Seasons with 2.5+ steals

MJ: 6

KB: 0

Seasons with 2+ steals

MJ: 10

KB: 1

Seasons with 100 or more blocks

MJ: 2

KB: 0

Seasons with 75 or more blocks

MJ: 4

KB: 0

Seasons with more than 50 blocks

MJ: 8

KB: 3

nail in the coffin

NBA Finals

Shaquille O'Neal (with the Lakers only)

2000: 38.0 points, 16.7 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1.0 steals, 2.7 blocks, 2.2 turnovers, 61.1% shooting, 39% free throw

2001: 33.0 ppg, 15.8 rpg, 4.4 apg, .4 steals, 3.4 blocks, 4 turnovers, 57.3% shooting, 51% FT

2002: 36.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 3.8 apg, 2.8 blocks, 59.5% shooting, 66.2% FT

2004: 26.6 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 1.6 apg, .6 blocks, 63.1% shooting, 49% FT

TOTALS: 33.55 ppg, 14.1 rpg, 3.0 apg, 2.4 blocks, 60.2% shooting

Kobe refused to feed Shaq the ball in 2004.

Shaquille O'Neal = highest scoring average for a center in NBA Finals history

Shaquille O'Neal=one of the few players to score 30 points in all games of an NBA Finals

Hahaha Kobe doesn't play in May without Shaq.

Scottie Pippen

18.9 ppg, 6 apg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 steals, 1.0 blocks, 3.3 turnovers, 42.3% shooting

Kobe Bryant

22.1 ppg, 4.6 apg, 5.2 rpg, 1.4 steals, 1.0 blocks, 3.0 turnovers, 41.6% shooting

Michael Jordan

33.6 ppg, 6 apg, 6 rpg, 2.1 steals, .71 blocks, 50.2% shooting

Hmm, it looks to me like Kobe compares more favorably to Scottie Pippen than to Jordan. He was not the leader. He was not the ultimate playoff performer. Kobe was a sidekick.

As you can see, Jordan didn't even try to press his scoring. He had 57 assists in the 5 game series against the Lakers, the second most ever in a 5 game series behind Magic Johnson...

I thought about pointing out the NBA records Jordan holds, but there's just too many, and there's nothing to compare to with Kobe.

For instance, Jordan is the only player to score more than 20 points in all of his NBA Finals games in his career.

He's the only player to score more than 15 points in all playoffs games in his career (179 games).

His 41.0 ppg against Phoenix is the highest NBA Finals scoring average in history.

What impresses me is that Jordan shot over 50% in the NBA Finals, even for his whole career. The 33.6, 6 and 6 is a different story.

Kobe Bryant

Sub-48%

REG: 470 (60% of games)

PLAYOFFS: 84 (64% of games)

Sub-46%

REG: 417 (53% of games)

PLAYOFFS: 73 (56% of games)

Sub-44%

REG: 353 (45% of games)

PLAYOFFS: 64 (49% of games)

Sub-42%

REG: 307 (39% of games)

PLAYOFFS: 53 (40% of games)

thebruceblitzchannel | May 16, 2007

Kobe has shot under 40% for 1/3 of his career

seriously I cant stop laughing at that.

Kobe Bryant

Below 50% games

Regular season: 489 (62% of games)

Playoffs: 89 (68% of games)

Below 40% games

Regular season: 246 (31% of games)

Playoffs: 47 (36% of games)

Kobe Bryant

Sub 35% games

REG: 156 (20% of games)

PLAYOFFS: 28 (21% of games)

Sub 30% games

REG: 81 (9% of games)

PLAYOFFS: 13 (10% of games)

thebruceblitzchannel | May 17, 2007

Scottie Pippen averaged 13.3 shots per game for his career and Kobe had been taking more shots per game than Pippen averaged for his career by his third year in the league, when Kobe fans ***** about shot attempts I want to stomp their nutsack. Kobe was taking over 15 shots per game from his 3rd year and on, Kobe actually had a year where he took 27 shots per game, Jordan's career average was 21 shots per game.

Jordan took 27 shots per game for only one season, Jordan averaged 37.1ppg that sesaon, the year Kobe took 27 shots per game he averaged 2 points less.

I mean Kobe tries to be like Jordan but it will never ever happen

The same year Kobe took 27 shots per game he only averaged 1.8stl per g, 4.5ast per g, 5.3reb per game, and a crappy 0.4 blocks per game

The year Jordan took 27 shots per game he averaged 5.2reb per game, 4.6ast per g, and a whopping 2.9 steals per game to go with his 1.5 blocks per game

thebruceblitzchannel | May 17, 2007

Lebron James playoff career avg 28.9ppg 46%fg% 8.0rpg 6.8apg 1.4spg .6bpg

Michael Jordan playoff career avg 33.45ppg 49%fg% 6.4rpg 5.7apg 2.1spg .88bpg

Kobe Bryant playoff career avg 23.3ppg 44%fg% 4.9rpg 4.5apg 1.3spg .7bpg

(the only think kobe has on lebron is blocks by .1)

Dwyane Wade playoff career avg 23.5ppg 43%fg% 4.8rpg 6.3apg 1.2spg .5bpg

funny that Kobe and Wade both won titles with shaq and have almost identical playoff career averages.

50 points, sub 50% shooting

Michael Jordan: 1 of his 31 games

Kobe Bryant: 6 of his 21 games

50 points, sub 45% shooting

Michael Jordan: 0

Kobe Bryant: 3

Yes, that's right, almost half of Kobe's 40 point "efforts" are less than 50% shooting. That's hilariously awful when you think about it for a moment.

40 point games

MJ: 173

Kobe: 85

30 point games

MJ: 561

Kobe: 245

50 points & less than 10 free throw attempts

MJ: 3

Kobe: 0

40 points & less than 10 free throw attempts

MJ: 27

Kobe: 15

40 points, sub 50% shooting

MJ: 27 (16% of his 40 pt games)

Kobe: 40 (47% of his 40 pt games)

40 points, sub 45% shooting

MJ: 13 (8% of his 40 pt games)

Kobe: 18 (21% of his 40 pt games)

40 points, sub 40% shooting

MJ: 2 (1% of his 40 pt games)

Kobe: 7 (8% of his 40 pt games)

Here's some lovely information.

70% games

Michael Jordan: 23

Kobe Bryant: 5

60% games

Michael Jordan: 160

Kobe Bryant: 53

50% games

Michael Jordan: 504

Kobe Bryant: 203

20 FG made & 60% or better shooting

MJ: 15

Kobe: 3

15 FG made & 60% or better shooting

MJ: 77

Kobe: 17

15 FG made & 50% or better shooting

MJ: 174

Kobe: 45

I also was able to show that Jordan gave his best for his strongest competition.

80s Jordan scoring average: 32.6 ppg

Regular season

80s Boston: 34.8 ppg

80s Detroit: 32.6 ppg

80s Philadelphia: 35.6 ppg

84-93 Cleveland: 34.2 ppg

Michael Cooper and the Lakers: 35.0 ppg

Playoffs career

Detroit: 30.0 ppg

New York: 33.1 ppg

Philadelphia: 38.2 ppg

Boston: 39.7 ppg

Cleveland: 42.5 ppg

New York was the only one of these teams he faced again in the playoffs during the second threepeat.

Of every game played since 1986:

Michael Jordan has 13 of top 25 game scores: #1, #4, #6, #6 (ties himself), #11, #16, #16, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #25

Kobe Bryant has 3 of the top 25 game scores.

Kobe Bryant has:

2nd worst game score for a player scoring 10 points. (5-21)

2nd worst game score for a player scoring 30 points. (11-29)

Worst and 4th worst game scores for a player scoring 40 points. (17-47, 12-30)

Of the 143 50 point games since 1986, in terms of shooting %:

Michael Jordan's games include #1, #5, #8, #17, #21, #22, etc.

Kobe Bryant's games include 10 of the 30 worst

7 of the 15 worst

The 3 worst

#118, #120, #122, #129, #131, #132, #133, #141, #142, #143

the worst home loss in Lakers history occurred this year

March 11, 2007

36 point loss to Dallas Mavericks

Kobe managed to go 6-19, 13-18 ft, dish 3 assists to 5 turnovers

He was 17th in steals... that's because he played the whole damn game.

He barely scraped the top 50 in steals per 40 minutes, and as we all know all the players ahead of him were guards.

thebruceblitzchannel | May 17, 2007

Kobe Bryant doesn't desrve to be on that 1st defensive team! Check this out:

X-Mas Day: Wade scored 40 points & 11 assist on Kobe.

Lebron scored 38 on Kobe

Melo lit Kobe up & man handled Kobe

Arenas torched Kobe for 60!

He was 17th in steals & had a low bpg%.

I don't see how he could be on the 1st defensive team with all that going on.

Team record in games played

Michael Jeffrey Jordan: 707-365 (.660)

Kobe Bean Bryant: 503-281 (.642)

Record in games with 30+ shot attempts

Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)

Kobe Bean Bryant: 31-39 (.443)

Record as team leader

Michael Air Jordan: 640-290 (.688)

Kobe Bean Bryant: 121-125 (.492)

Record, all team games

Michael Air Jordan: 706-366 (.659)

Kobe Bean Bryant: 556-314 (.639)

Postseason as team leader

Air: Missed postseason 0 times in 13 seasons

Bean: Missed postseason 1 time in 3 seasons

Records of the teams Jordan lost to in the playoffs:

1985 Milwaukee Bucks: 59-23

1986 Boston Celtics: 67-15*

1987 Boston Celtics: 59-23*

1988 Detroit Pistons: 54-28*

1989 Detroit Pistons: 63-19*

1990 Detroit Pistons: 59-23*

*=advanced to NBA Finals

Records of the teams Kobe lost to in the playoffs:

2006 Phoenix Suns: 54-28

2007 Phoenix Suns: 61-21

NBA Finals

Kobe Bryant

2000: 15.6 ppg, 4.2 apg, 4.6 rpg, 1.0 steals, 1.4 blocks, 1.2 turnovers, 36.7% shooting

2001: 24.6 ppg, 5.8 apg, 7.8 rpg, 1.4 steals, 1.4 blocks, 3.6 turnovers, 41.5% shooting

2002: 26.7 ppg, 5.2 apg, 5.8 rpg, 1.5 steals, .75 blocks, 3.8 turnovers, 51.4% shooting

2004: 22.6 ppg, 4.4 apg, 2.8 rpg, 1.8 steals, .6 blocks, 3.6 turnovers, 38% shooting

CAREER: 22.1 ppg, 4.6 apg, 5.2 rpg, 1.4 steals, 1.0 blocks, 3.0 turnovers, 41.6% shooting

NBA Finals

Michael Jordan

1991: 31.2 points, 11.4 assists, 6.6 rebounds, 2.8 steals, 1.4 blocks, 66.7% shooting

1992: 35.8 ppg, 6.5 apg, 4.8 rpg, 1.7 steals, .33 blocks, 52.6% shooting

1993: 41.0 ppg, 6.3 apg, 8.2 rpg, 1.7 steals, .66 blocks, 50.8% shooting

1996: 27.3 ppg, 3.8 apg, 5.3 rpg, 1.7 steals, .5 blocks, 48.9% shooting

1997: 32.3 ppg, 6.0 apg, 7.0 rpg, 1.2 steals, .83 blocks, 42.7% shooting

1998: 33.5 ppg, 2.3 apg, 4.0 rpg, 1.8 steals, .67 blocks, 42.7% shooting

CAREER: 33.6 ppg, 6 apg, 6 rpg, 2.1 steals, .71 blocks, 50.2% shooting



thebruceblitzchannel | May 15, 2007

does kobe suck?

11 seasons he's accomplished.

0 NBA MVPs

0 steal titles

0 assist titles

0 defensive player of the year award

0 6th man award

0 rebound titles

0 sports illustrated sportsman of the year award (Wade already got one)

0 espy best basketball player award (Wade already got one)

thebruceblitzchannel | May 15, 2007

0 rookie of the year awards

0 olympic medals (Wade already got two)

0 to lead the league in 3 point shooting

He's played in 4 NBA FINALS and accomplished this

0 finals mvps (Wade have one)

0 broken records in the nba finals (Wade have some)

11 seasons & 4 nba finals is more then enough time to have accomplished those things if you're one of the best ever. Not an all-time great, I'm taking about one of the best ever. Someone that you'll put in your 10 ten. I can't see how Kobe is in some peoples top ten & he has nothing to show for in 11 seasons. He's only got 2 scoring titles & 3 nba titles as an side-kick (he never led to a title).



Jordan definitely has 33 GW shots IN 58 shot attempts. Kobe on the other hand has a current % of 21% in the clutch



KOBE BRYANT IS NOT CLOSE TO MJ



DAMMIT



FREAKIN MINDLESS GOONS.


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